And Now, And Here-第53章

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ll　involved　in　a　double…dealing　business。

none　of　these　people　know　anything　about　the　soul。

look　at　the　crowd；　at　this　queue；　at　this　platoon　of　sadhus；　at　this　whole　great　circus　of　sadhus　all　over　the　country。

some　clown　with　bandages　over　their　mouths；　some　perform　acrobatics　with　a　staff　in　their　hands；　others　present　yet　another　type　of　circus！　such　a　crowd　of　people　know　the　soul　and　this　country　is　in　such　a　decline！　its　hard　to　believe。

there　are　people　who　blame　the　mon　man　for　causing　the　moral　decline　in　the　world。

i　would　like　to　say　they　are　wrong。

the　mon　man　has　always　been　the　same。

in　the　past；　around　the　world；　the　moral　character　was　high　because　of　a　few　self…realized　individuals。

the　mon　man　always　remained　the　same；　he　has　remained　unchanged。

there　have　been　a　few　beings；　of　course；　who　always　raised；　always　uplifted　human　consciousness。

their　very　presence　has　always　worked　as　a　catalytic　agent　and　has　always　elevated　human　life。

the　responsibility　for　the　present　low　state　of　human　character　lies　with　these　sadhus；　with　the　so…called　holy　men；　with　the　hypocrites　and　charlatans　who　talk　about　religion。

the　mon　man　bears　no　responsibility　for　it　whatsoever。

neither　did　he　before；　nor　does　he　now。

if　you　want　to　change　the　world；　stop　talking　nonsense　about　improving　the　moral　conduct　of　each　and　every　person；　about　teaching　moral　education　to　everyone。

if　you　want　to　change　the　world；　a　few　individuals　will　have　to　be　willing　to　go　through　very　intense　inner　experiments。

those　who　are　ready　to　undergo　the　experiment　deep　within　themselves

not　too　many；　just　a　hundred　people。

if　a　hundred　individuals　in　a　country　reach　a　point　of　knowing　what　the　soul　is；　the　life　of　that　entire　country　will　be　automatically　uplifted。

with　the　presence　of　a　hundred　shining　lamps　the　whole　country　can　be　uplifted。

i　agreed　to　speak　on　this　subject　only　because　i　felt　that　in　case　some　courageous　man　came　forward；　i　would　invite　him；　〃e　on！　if　you　are　ready　to　go　on　an　inward　journey；　i　am　willing　to　take　you。

there；　it　can　be　shown　what　life　is　and　what　death　is。

〃　





Chapter　9

小说
the　ultimate　freedom

5　november　1969　am　in　opera　house；　bombay；　india　

a　few　questions　have　been　asked；　seeking　clarification　of　certain　points　i　discussed　in　last　nights　talk。

question　1　

a　friend　has　asked：　if　a　man　and　a　woman　create　an　opportunity　for　the　soul　to　take　birth；　then　does　it　mean　there　are　many　separate　souls　and　not　one　universal　soul？　also；　on　many　occasions　you　have　said　there　is　only　one　truth；　one　god；　one　soul。

arent　these　statements　contradictory？　

there　is　no　contradiction。

of　course；　god　is　one。

the　soul　is　essentially　one　too；　but　the　body　is　of　two　types。

one　is　the　gross　body　which　we　can　see；　and　the　other　is　the　subtle　body　which　we　cannot　see。

at　the　moment　of　death；　the　gross　body　falls　away；　but　the　subtle　body　remains　intact。

the　soul　resides　within　two　bodies　……　the　subtle　body　and　the　gross　body。

at　the　time　of　death　the　gross　body　dies。

the　body　which　is　made　of　earth　and　water；　the　body　which　consists　of　flesh；　bones　and　marrow；　drops；　dies。

subsequently；　the　body　prised　of　subtle　thoughts；　subtle　feelings；　subtle　vibrations；　subtle　filaments；　remains。

this　body；　formed　of　all　these　subtle　things；　along　with　the　soul；　once　again　proceeds　on　a　journey；　and　again　enters　a　gross　body　for　a　new　birth。

when　a　new　soul　enters　the　mothers　womb；　it　means　this　subtle　body　enters。

in　the　event　of　death　only　the　gross　body　disintegrates；　not　the　subtle　body。

but　with　the　occurrence　of　the　ultimate　death；　what　we　call　moksha；　the　subtle　body　disintegrates　along　with　the　gross　body　as　well。

then　there　is　no　more　birth　for　the　soul。

then　the　soul　bees　one　with　the　whole。

this　happens　only　once。

it　is　like　a　drop　merging　into　the　ocean。

three　things　have　to　be　understood。

first；　there　is　the　element　of　the　soul。

when　the　two　types　of　bodies　……　the　gross　and　the　subtle　……　e　in　contact　with　this　element　of　the　soul；　both　bee　active。

we　are　familiar　with　the　gross；　the　physical　body；　a　yogi　is　familiar　with　the　subtle　body；　and　those　who　go　beyond　yoga　are　familiar　with　the　soul。

ordinary　eyes　are　able　to　see　the　gross　body。

the　yogic　eye　is　able　to　see　the　subtle　body。

but　that　which　is　beyond　yoga；　that　which　exists　beyond　the　subtle　body；　is　experienced　only　in　samadhi。

one　who　goes　beyond　meditation　attains　samadhi；　and　it　is　in　the　state　of　samadhi　that　one　experiences　the　divine。

the　ordinary　man　has　the　experience　of　the　physical　body；　the　ordinary　yogi　has　the　experience　of　the　subtle　body；　the　enlightened　yogi　has　the　experience　of　the　divine。

god　is　one；　but　there　are　countless　subtle　bodies　and　there　are　countless　gross　bodies。

the　subtle　body　is　the　causal　body；　it　is　this　body　that　takes　on　the　new　physical　body。

you　see　many　light　bulbs　around　here。

the　electricity　is　one；　that　energy　is　one；　but　it　is　manifesting　through　different　bulbs。

the　bulbs　have　different　bodies；　but　their　soul　is　one。

similarly；　the　consciousness　manifesting　through　us　is　one；　but　in　the　manifestation　of　this　consciousness；　two　vehicles　are　applied。

one　is　the　subtle　vehicle；　the　subtle　body；　the　other　is　the　gross　vehicle；　the　gross　body。

our　experience　is　limited　to　the　gross；　to　the　physical　body。

this　restricted　experience　is　the　cause　of　all　human　misery　and　ignorance。

but　there　are　people　who；　even　after　going　beyond　the　physical　body；　may　stop　at　the　subtle　body。

they　will　say；　〃there　are　an　infinite　number　of　souls。

〃　but　those　who　go　beyond　even　the　subtle　body　will　say；　〃god　is　one；　the　soul　is　one；　brahman　is　one。

〃　

there　is　no　contradiction　in　my　statements。

when　i　referred　to　the　entering　of　the　soul；　i　meant　that　soul　which　is　still　associated　with　the　subtle　body。

it　means　the　subtle　body　the　soul　is　enveloped　in　has　not　disintegrated　yet。

thats　why　we　say　that　the　soul　which　attains　to　the　ultimate　freedom　steps　out　of　the　cycle　of　birth　and　death。

there　is　indeed　no　birth　and　death　for　the　soul　……　it　was　never　born；　nor　will　it　ever　die。

the　cycle　of　birth　and　death　stops　with　the　end　of　the　subtle　body；　because　it　is　the　subtle　body　that　causes　a　new　birth。

the　subtle　body　is　an　integrated　seed　consisting　of　our　thoughts；　desires；　lusts；　longings；　experiences；　knowledge。

this　body　is　instrumental　in　taking　us　on　our　continuing　journey。

however；　one　whose　thoughts　are　all　annihilated；　whose　passions　have　all　vanished；　whose　desires　have　all　disappeared；　who　has　no　desire　left　within　him；　there　is　no　place　for　him　to　go；　there　is　no　reason　left　for　him　to　go　anywhere。

then　there　is　no　reason　for　him　to　take　birth　again。

there　is　a　wonderful　story　in　the　life　of　ramakrishna。

those　who　were　close　to　him；　who　knew　him　to　be　a　paramhansa；　an　enlightened　one；　used　to　be　deeply　troubled　about　one　thing。

it　bothered　them　greatly　to　see　an　enlightened　person　such　as　ramakrishna　……　one　who　had　attained　samadhi　……　craving　food　so　much。

ramakrishna　used　to　bee　very　anxious　about　food。

he　would　often　enter　the　kitchen；　asking　his　wife　sharada　devi；　〃whats　cooking　today？　its　getting　so　late！〃　right　in　the　middle　of　a　serious　talk　on　spiritual　matters　he　would　get　up　abruptly　and　rush　towards　the　kitchen　asking　what　was　being　cooked；　start　looking　for　food。

feeling　embarrassed；　sharada　would　politely　chide　him；　〃what　are　you　doing？　what　must　people　think　……　dropping　the　talk　on　brahman　so　suddenly　and　starting　to　talk　about　food！〃　ramakrishna　would　laugh　and　remain　silent。

even　his　close　disciples　remonstrated　with　him。

they　would　say；　〃its　giving　you　a　bad　name。

people　say；　how　can　such　a　person　have　attained　knowledge　when　his　desire　for　food　is　so　overwhelming？〃　

one　day　his　wife　sharada　got　very　upset　and　reproached　him。

ramakrishna　told　her；　〃you　have　no　idea；　but　the　day　i　show　aversion　to　food；　know　that　i　shall　not　live　more　than　three　days　afterwards。

〃　

sharada　asked；　〃what　do　you　mean？〃　

ramakrishna　said；　〃all　my　desires　and　passions　have　disappeared；　all　my　thoughts　are　gone　……　but　for　the　good　of　mankind　i　am　deliberately　holding　on　to　this　one　desire　for　food。

its　like　a　boat　tied　down　with　one　last　rope。

once　that　rope　is　cut　loose　the　boat　will　move　on　to　its　endless　journey。

i　am　staying　on　with　effort。

〃　

perhaps　those　around　him　did　not　give　much　thought　to　this　at　the　time。

but　three　days　before　ramakrishnas　death；　when　sharada　entered　with　a　dish　of　food；　ramakrishna　looked　at　it；　shut　his　eyes；　and　lay　with　his　back　turned　towards　her。

in　a　flash　she　remembered　ramakrishnas　words　about　his　death。

the　dish　fell　from　her　hands　and　she　began　to　weep　bitterly。

ramakrishna　said；　〃dont　cry。

you　wished　i　should　not　crave　for　food　……　your　wish　has　e　true。

〃　exactly　three　days　after　this　incident　ramakrishna　died。

he　was　holding　on　with　effort　to　just　a　little　bit　of　desire。

that　little　desire　had　bee　the　support　for　the　continuation　of　his　life…journey。

with　the　disappearance　of　that　desire；　the　entire　suppo